Rulemaking - Clean Vehicles Program and General Regulations for Air Pollution Sources

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Comment From: Kevin Bannon

10/01/22 @ 10:08 AM
First of all the concept of an electric car being a zero emissions vehicle is a lie. Electric vehicles emit all sorts of emissions throughout the process of production till when they are demolished. The implication that carbon dioxide, which is essen...↓

This is a bad proposal for several reasons -- economic, environmental, national security, and ethically.

Others can cite those reasons better than me so I won't dwell on them. The essential question is this board acting rationally, for the common good, or to further a misguided political end?

Hopefully you can discern that and disregard the emotional talk, the rationalizations and the pseudo proof.

I leave you with one other fact. For thousands of year the ambivient earth temperature rose. Sea levels were higher than now, the tropical regions more extensive and the frozen polar ones much more diminished. Then the ambivient temperature cooled to the extent that the land you're presently planted on was under a mile thick glacier, or at least just outside its bounds.

Ice lakes covered much of the northern states. Since then the climate has been steadily warming...for the last 12,000 years to be exact, with some minor slide back intervals of a couple of hundred years. All those millions of years of up and down climate change occurred without a single bit of human intervention.

The next essential fact is for the several hundred thousand years of humanoid species on earth, they successfully adapted to each cycle of change and did not go extinct...at least extinctions were not due to climate change...though evolution and adaption played key roles. Worth noting is the more silly notions people are bantering is humanity will go extinct because of climate change. There's a good chance humans will go extinct...but not for this and not in the next few years.

The final inconvenient truth is the more the earth warmed the more humanoid species benefited. In fact for the recorded mini cools such as the 4th century AD and the 16-18th centuries AD, cooling periods stressed humans. Economies stalled, cultures declined or perished. Not good times. Food production increased, peace was more prevalent, and population increased during the modern human era approximately 6000 BC till 2100 AD during the warming intervals.

Please show some common sense. Let people decide what works best. The other inconvenient truth is humanity does worse when they don't get along and even worse when individuals and markets are not free to choose.
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Comment From: John Haddick

10/01/22 @ 10:02 AM
I believe this proposed rule would be very harmful to the people of the State of Washington. The cost of electric vehicles is prohibitive for the average citizen. The materials and methods used for manufacture of batteries for these vehicles requires...↓
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Comment From: Garrett Pagon

10/01/22 @ 9:39 AM
There should not be any mandate. Consumers should be free to make their own choices.
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Comment From: Michael Gengler

10/01/22 @ 9:27 AM
Simply adopting California's targets for EV without taking into consideration of what is right, or what is possible for the state of Washington is dangerous to the economic health of Washington state and Washingtonians.

Instead of blindly following Ca...↓
1). Building the required electrical infrastructure to accommodate the large number of EVs;
2). Develop a plan and build required infrastructure to deal with the disposal of large amounts of toxic batteries;
3). Develop a plan on how to properly deal with a large amount of ICE powered vehicles that will be taken out of service;
4). Develop a plan on how to help people be able to afford very expensive vehicles;
5). Ensure the country FIRST has an appropriate plan to ensure battery production is performed in a ecologically friendly way.

Only AFTER the proper supporting infrastructure is in place, should the state begin to force it's citizens to make the change to EVs.

Do it right... California's plan should not be used as a model for something so important to the state. Washington should do what's right for WA... not simply what CA thinks is right.
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Comment From: gloria sexton

10/01/22 @ 9:27 AM
where are you going to get the power for all electric when your wanting to take out dams that produce electricity? also what happens when a major storm take out our power for a few days. and how are the majority of people going to afford the vehicles...↓
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Comment From: J M

10/01/22 @ 9:22 AM
The EV mandate and gas engine ban are unrealistic and unfair, will cost billions to implement and will unfairly penalize rural communities and working families. Say no to EV mandates!

EVs are still too costly and don't work for most families. Washingt...↓
The average EV costs $66,000.1 This mandate will cost consumers and businesses BILLIONS.
Creating the charging infrastructure to support this mandate will be expensive and could take years.
The cost of electric grid upgrades needed for new EV charging loads, are unknown and could be in the BILLIONS.
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Comment From: Mark Newbold

10/01/22 @ 9:18 AM
Please DO NOT implement these proposed regulations at this time. They are totally unrealistic and will be damaging to our state's economy and more especially to low & middle income wage earners who cannot afford the increased costs associated with t...↓
Sincerely,
Mark M. Newbold
Spokane WA
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Comment From: Gary Christensen

10/01/22 @ 9:17 AM
Mandating 100% EV by 2035 is possible but certainly not practical, sensical or viable. Gasoline or Diesel fuel are the backbone of the Agricultural Industry, of which WASHINGTON is the largest employer!

Electrical power to generate TORQUE with any la...↓

With today's costs of operating a farm with ALL imputs raising faster than in income it's certainly not possible to purchase new equipment to satisfy such a mandate. Washington will become a third world state, not because of lack of resources but like third world countries, people will not be able to afford Washington State impossible mandates. People will go even more hungry or pay astronomical prices for food from other countries (if its available) that do not have food safety rules.

I also wear a different hat than farmer. I am a fire commissioner in Washington state in a rural area that serves not only fire protection but also EMS responses. In order to provide fire ratings for tax payers to receive insurance premium reductions we have to replace every PUMPER Fire Apparatus every 20 years or sooner. We have just 7 "rated" engines in our district that covers over 500 square miles. Time is of the essence to get to the fire and then most importantly, be able to park and pump 1-2,000 gallons of water per minute. Electrical storage capacity for doing so is NOT POSSIBLE. We also have over 35 other vehicles that operate on diesel or gasoline with the same demand for instant and timely response capabilities.

When you start talking equipment or anything to do with emergency services the cost is $80K to $1M for each vehicle to replace it at todays prices and with the high rate of inflation it is increasing 10% or more each year. It extremely difficult to keep apparatus replaced as it is but requiring (if it is even possible) to go all EV is a pipe dream and one that isn't financially feasible or possible.

Basic EV cars and pickups costing $65K each puts private transportation out of the reach of most Washington residents and this is BASIC transportation not specialized bigger torque and longer storage capacity requirements.

Generation and distribution infrastructure to support this mandate will require unknown upgrades to support EV charging loads and will cost Billions as well as take years to satisify the demand.

Gary L Christensen
Othello, WA
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Comment From: Charles Cowman

10/01/22 @ 9:15 AM
This proposed rule is beyond idiotic at this day and time. The technology for an all electric transportation system does not exist. It may be somewhat functional in high density areas such as downtown Seattle but not even close to functional in the r...↓
This move is purely a political move by Gavin newsom and his twin jay inslee. The science is not ready. Do not push this through.
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Comment From: Sandra Schimelfening

10/01/22 @ 9:15 AM
I will move out of Washington if I am forced to buy an EV. NO WAY JOSE
Climate change is a HOAX to milk more money out of those who can least afford it.
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Comment From: Ted Weiss

10/01/22 @ 9:13 AM
This rule is impractical, ill begotten, and lacks any foresight into the future. It does nothing for the environment. It is purely political - not practical. The infrastructure cannot support it. If you need to drive more than 300 miles in one day wi...↓

This is stupid. Outside of democratic lawmakers, no one wants this. Why not put it to a vote of the public??
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Comment From: Richard Price jr.

10/01/22 @ 9:12 AM
This new law will do nothing for climate change. The climate is controlled by the actions or the sun and the tilt of the earth on its axis. That's the real science. If you do the real fair research you will find this out. Climate change is a money ma...↓
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Comment From: BRIAN SHAPUTIS

10/01/22 @ 7:28 AM
Setting these bans on gas-powered vehicles seems insanely premature. Not one state in this country has the infrastructure set up to support this influx of EV's... In fact California, the front-runner of this insanity, actually told people to turn o...↓
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Comment From: Rodney Coyne

10/01/22 @ 6:38 AM
I am opposed to the proposed rule changes. The EV mandates are insane and are only going to make electricity costs sky rocket. The infrastructure is not and will not support the increased demand for electricity. Stop the insanity. There has been no...↓
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Comment From: Ralph McCotter

9/30/22 @ 3:55 PM
I urge the State of Washington Department of Ecology (WADOE), et al, NOT to change 171-423WAC Clean Vehicle Program or 173-400WAC General Regulations for Air Pollution Sources until suitable electrical power infrastructure is in place to support the ...↓
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Comment From: Robert Divelbiss

9/30/22 @ 1:58 PM
ZEV mandates do not work. Doing this is like attempting to put the cart before the horse. Mandating the Zev products before supply and infrastructure have been addressed is both reckless and doomed to fail. In the states with Zev mandates, the regis...↓
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Comment From: Claude Bennington

9/30/22 @ 10:58 AM
Where does electricity come from?
What sources of electricity are dependable?
Wind power and solar power are not sustainable and created in enough volume to supply the needs of the world.
The destruction of coal, oil and gasoline as sources of power for...↓
imposed by a misguided radical leftist liberal political agenda meant to turn the world into a totalitarian dystopian entity.
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Comment From: Frederick Bayley

9/30/22 @ 10:52 AM
Please rethink the adoption of a complete ban on fossil fuel powered cars and trucks. Electric vehicles are extremely polluting to manufacture and are significantly range limited. The charging infrastructure is not in place and Electric trucks have e...↓
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Comment From: Claudia Reeder

9/30/22 @ 9:25 AM
This is not a good bill. What about all of us older people on fixed incomes that cannot afford the cost of going all electric? And the data is not all in regarding the emissions difference.
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Comment From: Robert Tutor

9/30/22 @ 6:51 AM
You do not have the electrical capacity to support this mandate in place. They cannot charge fast enough yet. They do not yet have enough range for anyone to do anything other than commute to work. They are still a luxury. The technology isn't ready....↓
EVs are still too costly and don't work for most families. Washington residents should be able to choose the vehicle that works best for them.
• The average EV costs $66,000.1 This mandate will cost consumers and businesses BILLIONS.
• Creating the charging infrastructure to support this mandate will be expensive and could take years.
• The cost of electric grid upgrades needed for new EV charging loads, are unknown and could be in the BILLIONS.
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Comment From: Rene Lapierre

9/30/22 @ 6:09 AM
I can not afford an electric vehicle. I do not have the capability to charge an electric vehicle. I don't think our citizens want to be told what they can and can not buy when it comes to vehicles. And I don't think our electric system can support ...↓
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Comment From: Frances Lee

9/29/22 @ 11:10 PM
Washington State Politicos - You are buying into woke DISINFORMATION NON-SCIENTIFIC SCIENCE when you think you are saving energy by banning gas vehicles and hybrids? There ARE businesses that cannot use them in the fields such as farmers, and MOST ...↓
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Comment From: Lorinda Newton

9/29/22 @ 8:04 PM
I'm commenting on Chapter 173-423 WAC – Clean Vehicles Program, and Chapter 173-400 WAC, General Regulations for Air Pollution Sources.

The market and infrastructure are not prepared for such a switch to EVs.

EVs are out of the price range of most peop...↓

We used to own a community EV that was governed at 35 mph. First, it had lead batteries. Those blew. So, we had to buy lithium batteries. We left it unplugged for a long while, and those batteries went bad. Before we moved from Kirkland to South Whidbey Island, we gave it back to the dealer. Because the batteries were bad, we couldn't get any money for it. We couldn't drive it on Whidbey Island, where all the main roads are over 35 mph.

EVs make sense in the city but do not make sense in the rural areas where people must drive long distances to get to places, nor do they make sense for long haulers or people traveling cross country for either business or pleasure.

For example, when I was in college, I attended Whitworth in Spokane, but my family lived in Bellevue. First off, a college student can't afford an EV. Second, I would not have been able to drive from Spokane to Bellevue without spending time at a recharging station. A gas fill-up in Ellensburg is fast. That would have made the five-hour drive even longer. In addition to charging time, driving up hills and particularly over a mountain pass, greatly reduces the amount of power an EV has.

When I drove around the Eastside with our EV, I had to think through how to avoid some hills to avoid reducing my range. I often suffered from "range anxiety" with my EV.

My family likes to take road trips. You can't do that with an EV and pulling a trailer.

EV charging of semi-trucks will slow down the supply chain that is already suffering delays. Also, batteries don't perform as well in cold weather. So, in the winter, the trucks and other vehicles will experience an even shorter range. I experienced lower battery performance with cold weather around the Seattle area. It will be worse for cars east of the Cascades and trucks crossing the mountains.

Also, who's going to pay for all these charging stations? How will the electricity be delivered to them in the middle of nowhere? Gas stations can be farther apart because gas vehicles have a longer range. EVs have a short range. So more charging stations than fuel stations will be needed.

What happens when someone runs out of battery power in the middle of nowhere? You can't just fill a gas can with electricity.

EVs don't work for farmers. They leave their large equipment out in the field and carry fuel to the equipment. They can't afford to spend fuel money traveling to and from a gas pump. If they had an EV John Deere, they can't carry a large battery to it. They would have to bring a fossil fuel-powered generator. The bottom line is, EV farm equipment doesn't work.

EVs have their place as supplement transportation and work great for local driving. But in other situations, they are impractical.

Furthermore, do you know where the materials for lithium batteries come from? China and developing nations that don't have the same rules on pollution, environment, and child labor as we do in Washington state.

Sincerely,
Lorinda K F Newton
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 7:51 PM
there is not enough electrical generation to support this ! we have an abundance of natural gas & oil. stop this destructiveness wind & solar can never fill the gap . solar panels are extremely expensive & only have a 20 year lifespan, wind power has...↓
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Comment From: Patricia Knoch

9/29/22 @ 7:35 PM
Washington state does not have the infrastructure to support mandatory ZEVs.
The government is going too far to tell citizens what vehicles we can or cannot buy.
STOP this overreach now.
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Comment From: Patrick LeBrun

9/29/22 @ 5:49 PM
I am not against clean burning cars. The progress achieved in the last 30 years has been amazing without or in spite of government requirements.
I think we are progressing just fine without more feel good mandates pushed by government fat cats that th...↓
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Comment From: Jim Pellegrino

9/29/22 @ 4:29 PM
Good goal but way to soon. The cost and the power grid will be a issue.
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Comment From: Sandra Roosendaal

9/29/22 @ 4:10 PM
Removing NeW fossil fuel vehicles is wrong. EV vehicles is not the answer for the state of WA that does have winters and cold weather. I drive long distances and an EV vehicle is the wrong vehicle for my driving needs. This is too expensive and un...↓
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Comment From: COLETTE HUGHES

9/29/22 @ 3:44 PM
This is really dumb. I need gas for my old cars as I can't afford the new electic vehicles. I hate that government is dictating to me. This is more like a dictatorship as I did not get to vote on any of this. Stop this nonsense!!!!!
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Comment From: Bob Marion

9/29/22 @ 3:21 PM
We used to live in Eastern Washington around Ritzville. We traveled back there two weeks ago. We stopped for fuel twice and each time it took us less than 5 minutes to fuel our vehicle, pay for the fuel and be on our way. If we would have had an E...↓
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Comment From: George Robinson

9/29/22 @ 2:53 PM
Please think about what you are proposing, no more gas/diesel powered vehicles. The governor wants to rely solely on "renewable" electricity to charge these electric vehicles. Solar, wind and any other sources in that category cannot support the ener...↓
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Comment From: Stephanie Gallagher

9/29/22 @ 2:34 PM
This EV mandate and gasoline engine is wrong, unfair and costly. It will do nothing to curb emissions. Just to expand the power grid to bear the load of everyone charging their super expensive EV cars would be astronomical in scope and cost.
EV cars a...↓
If EV vehicles were truly a practical and economical solution to transportation, then a free market would make it happen. Banning gasoline cars and forcing people into EV's is not the way to go. It is literally shooting the economy and the environment in the foot.
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Comment From: Douglas Basler

9/29/22 @ 1:32 PM
Electric zero emission vehicles are not the panacea they claim them to be. The manufacture of the vehicles creates a huge carbon footprint and also requires the mining and importation of highly toxic non-recyclable materials such as cobalt. In additi...↓
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 1:28 PM
Where is my representative saying that this is ridiculous?
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 1:26 PM
As I live in an apartment, where am I supposed to charge an EV? Especially if it takes MULTIPLE HOURS to fully charge one?
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Comment From: Mary Skindlov

9/29/22 @ 1:08 PM
EV mandate and gas engine ban are unrealistic and unfair, will cost billions to implement and will unfairly penalize rural communities and working families. EV's are not obtainable for the average person.
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Comment From: CJ Murdock

9/29/22 @ 12:09 PM
I agree that changes need to be made but not at the expense of the states people and industry. I know as an older person on a fixed income I in no way could afford to purchase an electric car or afford to have a charging station installed where I liv...↓
How can a state just cut off a lucrative revenue stream like petroleum products. What will replace that revenue? I know I may be forced to leave the state I love so I too can afford to survive. In my personal opinion I am getting fed up with Olympia bending to the will of one city in the state. We have a large agriculture industry that will crumble with out petroleum. We do not have the technology to solve the challenges that the state want to forced on us.
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Comment From: Glenn Angliss

9/29/22 @ 11:36 AM
What idiotic policies. Why would any rational person believe it's a good idea to emulate the train wreck that is California?

If dimwitted liberals actually succeeded in forcing everyone into all electric homes and cars, the power grid will totally col...↓

It's not just the difficulty of generating enough so-called green electricity at night when it's needed. (Since current large scale battery storage is not practical, safe or affordable, it's a pipe dream that so-called green energy sources will provide more than a minuscule portion of our energy demand.)

It's not even the fact, that by trying to remove existing hydro dams and rejecting nuclear power, that the libs are fighting against the only two practical and affordable clean energy sources that we currently have available.

We don't even need to discuss the fact that range and charging times for EV's make them extremely impractical for most people or that their cost is out of sight. (and for heaven's sake, let's not talk about the all-too-common problem with explosive lithium battery fires.) We don't even need to talk about the extreme environmental degradation of lithium mining.

Heck, I'll even forget to mention that several studies show that carbon emissions over the entire lifecycle from battery manufacture to junkyard are not much different for EV's vs ICE cars. I'll even leave out that the worlds lithium deposits tend to be controlled by our enemies, leaving us very vulnerable to supply chain disruptions and blackmail.

But the real elephant in the room is the capacity of the entire electrical distribution system. The current electrical system is physically unable to carry the load needed for total electrification. Every transmission wire in every branch of the system, from power plants to the wires that supply our individual neighborhoods would need to be replaced with exponentially larger wire. Simply put, our current system is simply not designed to provide the amperage needed for everyone to charge their cars at home after work, so it would overload and automatically shut down. It would take countless trillions to upgrade the system and many decades if not a century to complete.

Why are the dem's pushing this idiocy? Why do they ignore facts, science and common sense? Simply put, climate extremism has become the left's religion. In typical dem fashion, they don't want to debate their religion or try to convert you to their beliefs. No, we're too stupid to see the light, so we must be forced to bow to their climate god. (Maybe it's just me, but it seems very reminiscent of the tactics of the Taliban.)
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Comment From: Daniel Shier

9/29/22 @ 11:21 AM
I find it amazing that certain environmental zealots, especially the likes of California Governor Gavin Newsom and our own Governor Jay Inslee, our State Legislature, and several unelected bureaucrats are forcing the electric alternative to fossil fu...↓

Not often talked about is the fire and life safety issue presented by the current technology. Example: lithium-ion battery fires happen and are virtually impossible to extinguish without letting them simply burn themselves out, completely destroying the device they're installed in and releasing large volumes of toxic fumes and compounds into the air and into the ground.

The time for electric technology to shine will no doubt arrive one day, but it isn't here yet, and in my opinion won't be for quite some time. Until then we're putting the proverbial cart way ahead of the horse.

Until the technology is perfected, we must continue our use of fossil fuels. To protect our country and our economy, fossil fuels must be readily available and most of all, affordable.
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Comment From: Lea Sanders

9/29/22 @ 11:02 AM
This has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard of! There are many people who cannot afford an electric vehicle or want an electric vehicle. I pull a trailer. I would not even consider an electric vehicle to pull a trailer. The batteries ...↓

In all these states, unless a hefty fine is paid, automakers will be forbidden from selling gasoline powered vehicles by 2035. As usual, the trendsetter in the climate craziness is always California. In 2019, Washington and Massachusetts passed legislation to follow whatever guidelines are enacted by the California Air Resources Board.

The short-term goals for California will be for all 35% of all new vehicles sales to be "zero emissions" by 2026, rising to 68% in 2030. According to former Trump Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) administrator Andrew Wheeler, these goals are unworkable. He believes California "can't get to 35% EVs by 2026 let alone 68% by 2030." The impracticability of these standards is no concern for the liberal state leaders, they just want the positive press for taking climate change action. In fact, Governor Jay Inslee (D-WA) wants his state to ban gasoline powered vehicles by 2030. He claims that such moves are a "critical milestone in our climate fight." This is just another of our governor's many mistakes. He just keeps stepping in it.

For liberal Democrats, the "climate fight" means that anything related to fossil fuels is evil. It is one reason Biden Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was almost giddy when gasoline prices started rising this summer. She said it made a "very compelling case" for consumers to buy electric vehicles. The high gasoline prices "won't affect you" if you own an electric vehicle.

So, according to progressives like Granholm, just buy an electric vehicle for goodness sake. Consumers will help with the "climate fight" and avoid those high gasoline prices.

Unfortunately, Democrats love spouting their platitudes, but they have little regard for the economic conditions facing Americans. In the midst of raging inflation, Democrats are trying to force Americans to buy electric vehicles, which cost, on average, $66,000. This high cost is one reason why, even in California, only 12% of the vehicles that are currently in use are electric.

To mitigate these exorbitant costs and encourage more Americans to abandon their "addiction" to fossil fuels, $370 billion in climate change initiatives and a $7,500 electric vehicle tax credit was included in the "Inflation Reduction Act." This will apply only for electric vehicles "assembled" in North America.

Washington! get a brain! Stop this stupidity!
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Comment From: John Middaugh

9/29/22 @ 10:55 AM
This a classic example of putting the cart before the horse! Enacting policies before ensuring that the infrastructure can support the demand. A better approach instead of knee-jerking would be to get all the energy czar's together and decide on wh...↓
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Comment From: Glen Godfrey

9/29/22 @ 10:14 AM
Show us the electrical capacity before you make rules that cannot be followed. Removing dams will sure not add to electrical capacity. Show us how enough electrical current will be available in that year.
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Comment From: Margaret Nartea

9/29/22 @ 9:56 AM
Electric vehicles are costly and not all families can afford them. You don't get to tell WA state residents what vehicle they can or cannot own. The infrastructure to build chargers will be very expensive and could take many years. The cost to up...↓
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Comment From: JIM REDMON

9/29/22 @ 9:50 AM
We can't handle the power needed for EV cars and no one is looking at the foot print for what will happen to the batteries that come from the EV cars!! Please relook at the whole picture and figure out how all this can be accomplished in a longer tim...↓
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Comment From: Theodore Leutschaft

9/29/22 @ 9:45 AM
My Family cannot afford, nor do we want an Electric Vehicle. These policies of the Democratic, Socialist, Climate Change Weidos are Destroying Our Nation and way of Life. GOING ALL Electric Vehicles will do more to Damage the Environment than the cur...↓
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Comment From: Tarrah Rees

9/29/22 @ 9:38 AM
This is completely ridiculous. Please stop this madness. Do not ruin our state anymore. We need gas powered vehicles and cannot sustain only electric or alternative powered vehicles. As you know, there is another side of the coin with the manufac...↓
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 9:26 AM
Please stop bullying everyone into your ideas. Electric cars are inconvenient and require too much fussing. Let the market decide what people want and quit gouging us with fake gas price increases to further YOUR agenda. You screwing us is not stoppi...↓
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Comment From: Robert Coggins

9/29/22 @ 9:24 AM
Banning the use of gasoline powered vehicles is a very bad idea and won't make the slightest impact on global warming, which I believe is NOT man-made but a natural occurrence. Please rethink your disastrous agenda.
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Comment From: Norman Gilbertson

9/29/22 @ 9:10 AM
Take your Green agenda and shove it!!!

Electric cars are NOT the future!!!

Hydrogen powered vehicles are.

This is just more demoRAT control of the population.

No amount of legislation and taxpayer $$$ will have ANY effect on climate change. The human ra...↓

We need less regulation, NOT more!!!!
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 8:41 AM
I am TOTALLY OPPOSED to this plan!!! Not only are such cars unaffordable for most people you have not taken into account the lack of recharging stations available & the length of time it takes to recharge the average electric vehicle. And if the env...↓
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Comment From: Joseph Gatchell

9/29/22 @ 8:13 AM
I am a free citizen of America. However, I am continually being bullied and ordered by a self-possessed governor and legislature that I will do their bidding with no free vote on this ZEV mandate for Wa. state. The Green aspect of all this gets lost ...↓
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Comment From: Richard Mayer

9/29/22 @ 8:05 AM
This makes no sense until they are affordable to middle and lower income people and there is a robust electric grid.if you have to give e tax credits EV,s are not competitive
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Comment From: Stehen Paris

9/29/22 @ 7:55 AM
This is a very poorly thought out decision. It appears to have been had by a group that does not travel from one side of the state to another. EV are great but lack range and will lack range for decades.
The infrastructure just isn't there and is unli...↓
Again the infrastructure isn't going to be ready. My house will not support a charging station without a electrical panel update. Current quotes are $7,000 to update my panel (up from $5,000 last year - Thanks Biden) Add into that the cost of a charging station which is current from $2,000 to $5,000. So who is going to pay for my new charging station?

Who is going to cover the cost of apartments and condo to install charging stations, which will also be needed.

The state needs to think things out before making misinformed (stupid), decisions. It is not hard to map out what is needed. But it does need to be mapped out and not just dictated by what the Governor (who want to operate outside reality) thinks
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 7:53 AM
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Comment From: Ted Cooke

9/29/22 @ 7:52 AM
So called "zero emission cars" rely heavily on fossil fuel to extract toxic chemicals from the earth. They are much worse than simply fossil fuel; changing a battery is a toxic waste site. If cars are stuck on a snowy pass for 24 hours and everyone...↓
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Comment From: Sheldon Page

9/29/22 @ 7:35 AM
This proposal is not the way things should be done. You have no business mandating the type of vehicle I want to drive.
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Comment From: James Brooks

9/29/22 @ 7:30 AM
I disagree with this proposal for at least 2 reasons. First, the thinking that "going green" is beneficial to the environment is inaccurate. The damage done in mining the necessary elements to make "clean" cars, panels, etc., does tremendous harm to ...↓

Additionally, the government should not be forcing this transition to environmentally friendly energy. It will happen naturally, at the right pace when the science making "clean energy" allows for more efficient conversion of natural sources, that makes these sources cost-effective and economically attractive to produce and use. Those scientific breakthroughs will soon arrive and then people will want to transition to clean energy use, rather than being forced to transition when it is more expensive to them and tax-payer dollars are subsidizing the transition...it costs people more in both ways, for a concept that is NOT environmentally friendly as claimed.

Abandon this effort to force Americans to do what they are not yet ready to do. Americans will transition to clean energy when it makes economic sense. The whole specter that the environment is on the edge of "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever the current government-generated fear is, does not agree with real, honest, scientific reality. Climate Change is hyped and used to control people and the government needs to get out of this business!!
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Comment From: Jere Knudtsen

9/29/22 @ 7:22 AM
No sensible person is against alternatives to fossil fuels if they perform as well, are available at a reasonable and sustainable cost, don't compromise our national security, health, and way of life, and are executable. EV simple are not ready for ...↓
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/29/22 @ 7:02 AM
You guys are out of your minds. All you're going to do is create an electrical crisis. The grid can't possibly handle the extra load. If electric cars are so good, the market will handle the transition without all the mandates. We are not Cali...↓
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Comment From: James Vanderbie

9/29/22 @ 6:52 AM
there is no emergency regarding the so called climate change. Regular people can not afford these silly electric cars. The earth is more damaged by the people digging up the rare earth items than by gas powered vehicles. The U.S. will suffer under...↓
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Comment From: Dan Moline

9/29/22 @ 6:41 AM
The ban on gas powered cars, I am OPPOSED! No real science. I do find this rule a threatening Authoritarian ban and against the constitution in more ways than one. I want to see all government politicians comply with this ban first! You give up your ...↓
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Comment From: William Geloneck

9/29/22 @ 6:40 AM
It is difficult to experience the far-left, Democrat ideologues attempt to transform this state and country into something it was never meant to be. This is another way for them to restrict our freedoms and preach to us how we must live. However, n...↓
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Comment From: Ian DeChenne

9/29/22 @ 6:30 AM
Please do not pass down this iron fist approach to EV technology.
As someone who is deeply involved in the service and repair of EV vehicles, I can tell you that financially it will be crippling to our economy to legislate the ownership of these vehic...↓
Let the market decide when the time is right for people to make the switch.
The governments approach to using taxpayer money to incentivize very wealthy people to purchase six-figure electric cars is so out of line, it boggles the mind.
Even the most entry-level electric cars on the market are almost $40,000. This is not sustainable for people on limited incomes.
And now that some of these easy vehicles are approaching 10 years of age, they are facing vehicle totaling repair expenses. Including 20 thousand dollar battery packs and 15000 Dollar Electric motors.
Where as most modern low emission gas vehicles can go hundreds of thousands of miles without major component failure.
Plus the environmental damage done to the planet during the production of these massive battery packs is mostly being ignored.
You are talking about millions of tons of raw materials being processed to make just a couple of batteries.
There is not enough lithium in the world to sustain demand and the carbon footprint of the production process is so dirty, it completely negates the benefit of an EV vehicle at all.
Please let technology get to a point where EV vehicles are practical, affordable and not nearly as hard on the environment during their production before we start legislating what Has to be purchased.
People will buy the vehicles based on their merits and decide the financial implications of ownership without having the government tell them what they can or cannot drive.
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Comment From: Anthony Ferro

9/29/22 @ 5:46 AM
Clean vehicle program: I believe the all electric vehicles by 2035 is too aggressive an expectation. Reliable technology needs to be established first and that has not been achieved.
Our infrastructure is currently inadequate to charge the volume of e...↓
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Comment From: Chad Towne

9/29/22 @ 5:25 AM
EV mandate and gas engine ban are unrealistic and unfair, will cost billions to implement and will unfairly penalize rural communities and working families.

EVs are still too costly and don't work for most families. Washington residents should be able...↓

The average EV costs $66,000.1 This mandate will cost consumers and businesses BILLIONS.
Creating the charging infrastructure to support this mandate will be expensive and could take years.
The cost of electric grid upgrades needed for new EV charging loads, are unknown and could be in the BILLIONS.
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Comment From: Richard Oates

9/29/22 @ 5:14 AM
1) The electrical grid is not ready for this transition. Look at recent headlines when CA asked that EV not be charged to save the grid.

2) The state of WA is vastly different, and this does not consider the that we who live in the eastern part of th...↓

3) Consider the potential safety risks and inconvenience when taking such a trip for example from Spokane to Seattle. The EV would need to charged, and having to wait over an hour for this to be done.

Once again cart before the horse. This is not helping the environment. When you add up all the
mining from copper to lithium, which is a way more limited resource than fossil fuels don't forget
cell phones weed eaters and all these other things switching to lithium increases demand.it is just
hurting us more. How are you going to provide power to all these electric vehicles. If each charger
is 48amp(common amps to charge) times 2,271,398 (households in wa) which equals 109,027,104
amps or 13,083,252,480 watts or 13083 megawatts a night at the same time which does not include
households with more than one vehicle and people traveling through the state. Second largest hydro
electric plants in the world power 14000 megawatts. This is just simple math. On top of that none
can afford an electric car in middle class. And I'm not going to pay 70k for a car that pollutes the
same as a car that's gets 29mpg, batteries don't last forever try 30k to replace one battery. This is not
realistic. Find a fuel attachment to vehicles we already own like on demand hydrogen if you want to
save the planet.
https://www.grunge.com/188478/why-are-electric-cars-so-expensive
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Comment From: Marcos Campos

9/29/22 @ 3:19 AM
I oppose mandating any percentage of electric vehicles. Creation of the car itself requires vast destruction to the environment in obtaining the rare earth minerals; often these minerals come from countries who are trying to dominate us. Mining compa...↓
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Comment From: Alma Schneider

9/29/22 @ 3:19 AM
I just want to voice, as strongly as possible, my opposition to ANY enforcement at any level on any date, (beginning as early as 2026), mandating anything to do with the purchase of electric vehicles. It takes away choice, and it will cost billions. ...↓
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Comment From: Larry Cook

9/28/22 @ 11:41 PM
I have only heard of shutting down all fossil fuel energy production including the removal of dams that create hydro generated power. Nothing of how power will be generated that can be 100% reliable. Let everyone know what it takes to mine the resou...↓
Let's manage our forests, cut fire breaks use a reasonable amount of trees for housing instead of watching it all burn and telling the naive people the wild fires are all due to climate change. Thank you for reading some reality here.
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Comment From: Jeremy King

9/28/22 @ 11:20 PM
Once again cart before the horse. This is not helping the environment. When you add up all the mining from copper to lithium, which is a way more limited resource than fossil fuels don't forget cell phones weed eaters and all these other things switc...↓
https://www.grunge.com/188478/why-are-electric-cars-so-expensive/
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Comment From: Theodore Reinhart

9/28/22 @ 10:46 PM
This rule isn't even about pollution. It's about empowering the state so it can tell us how we are going to live--where to work, what car to drive--what kind of residence we live in. The production of electric vehicles produces far more pollution tha...↓
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Comment From: Stephen J Turner

9/28/22 @ 9:37 PM
No infrastructure to support proposal. Cost to high for most people to buy. You are using this to punish working class folks for wanting reasonable prices for transportation and having a support structure for the change. Junk science being used as ju...↓
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Comment From: Brian Allison

9/28/22 @ 9:06 PM
This is another foolish display of the ruling class of brainless emotionally charged arguments that are not based upon the scientific method being forced upon the masses without ever being put to a vote of the people.
Also there are no longer enough b...↓
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Comment From: mike smith

9/28/22 @ 8:53 PM
This proposal is detrimental (if not deadly) to all citizens of Washington State but more so for retirees who need affordable private transportation to doctors, hospitals and other care givers. Forcing Washington citizens to by EV's is essentially ad...↓
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Comment From: Sean Lewis

9/28/22 @ 8:52 PM
This is nothing more than another disgusting, massive, liberal agenda-driven grab for more more more governmental power and control. Washington State's contribution to the world's carbon emissions is extremely insignificant — statistically ZERO. (And...↓
This further infringes UNNECESSARILY on our freedoms and liberties, and will be massively expensive, overall, on citizens and businesses. (Not that that was ever a concern of state politicians in the last three decades.)
Allow the FREE MARKET and CONSUMERS to adapt and change NATURALLY to new technologies like this, without government FORCING people and businesses to change (I think there's a word for that...).
By the way, have you done an environmental impact analysis of what the EV battery manufacturing process does to the earth? It's INCREDIBLY harmful.
Remember FREEDOM and LIBERTY?
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Comment From: Marv Nelson

9/28/22 @ 8:50 PM
Liquid Fuels to power truck transportation still essential
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Comment From: Hugh Reichenbach

9/28/22 @ 8:36 PM
This is a completely unfair and unnecessary move by the Dept. of Ecology. These EV's are too expensive and are not practical for the average working household. These vehicles will not stop climate change from happening around the world. You will be m...↓
Thank you, Hugh Reichenbach
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Comment From: Kevin Stolle

9/28/22 @ 8:35 PM
The proposed Zero Emission Vehicle mandate is bad policy, and over reach by a non-elected regulatory agency. The proposal would create huge burdens for rural residents where driving range is a priority. Current ZEV vehicles barely reach 300 miles of ...↓
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/28/22 @ 8:30 PM
It is totally unrealistic to attempt to implement such a burden on the motoring public as well on the transport industry. Especially when it is to satisfy the "SKY IS FALLING"mentality of the lying socialist/communist left.
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Comment From: Charlie Tyrian

9/28/22 @ 8:27 PM
EV's are too costly. Charging stations are not readily available nor can an EV be charged in a timely manner and therefore considered not efficient to support the people. The electrical grid requirements are not presently adequate to support EV's. So...↓
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Comment From: Christopher Kimball

9/28/22 @ 8:27 PM
Hello, Please do not impose more restrictions on cars and trucks! Government mandates disallow consumers from making their own buying decisions and drive prices higher than they need to be. The free market should decide which products and services ...↓

Respectfully,

Chris Kimball.
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Comment From: John Underwood

9/28/22 @ 7:35 PM
This policy is very unrealistic and all it will do is penalize lower income families who live far from a charging station. It will cut thousands of jobs in the energy industry with doing little for the enviroment. When will all government vehicles be...↓
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Comment From: John Hansen

9/28/22 @ 7:30 PM
Electric vehicles are not actually zero emission, they just change the location where the emission occurs. The amount of emission caused by electric vehicles depends totally on how the generation plant functions. It could be coal, natural gas, nucl...↓
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Comment From: Glayde Larsen

9/28/22 @ 6:52 PM
It is unrealistic to mandate electric cars based on the schedule in the ZEV mandate when the infrastructure isn't in place for them to get "fuel" (electricity). Also, nothing we do is going to dramatically effect climate until India, China, and Russ...↓
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Comment From: Dwayne Owens

9/28/22 @ 6:13 PM
This plan is not fiscally sound on the existing timeline.
EVs are still too costly and don't work for most families. Washington residents should be able to choose the vehicle that works best for them.
The average EV costs $66,000. This mandate will cos...↓
Creating the charging infrastructure to support this mandate will be expensive and could take years.
The cost of electric grid upgrades needed for new EV charging loads, are unknown and could be in the BILLIONS.
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Comment From: Robert Cannon

9/28/22 @ 5:32 PM
EV mandate and gas engine ban are unrealistic and unfair, will cost billions to implement and will unfairly penalize rural communities and working families.

EVs are still too costly and don't work for most families. Washington residents should be able...↓
• The average EV costs $66,000.1 This mandate will cost consumers and businesses BILLIONS.
• Creating the charging infrastructure to support this mandate will be expensive and could take years.
• The cost of electric grid upgrades needed for new EV charging loads, are unknown and could be in the BILLIONS.
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Comment From: Jeff Smith

9/28/22 @ 5:23 PM
The government makes a feel good policy without having a plan to adopt it without the infrastructure to accomplish it. We saw last week where the Governor of CA was begging for citizens not to plug in their cars that would overwhelm the power grid. ...↓
Like all public comments in the State, the decision is already made, it's just a futile exercise to oppose the political power base..
I am now 69 years old and live in a rural area. I've had to go back to work to pay my property taxes. I travel and drive to Seattle which is 130 miles one way. I can't afford a new electric car, nor have the ability to wait in line to have it charged every day.
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Comment From: Elizabeth Rohlfing

9/28/22 @ 5:02 PM
Dear Sirs,

I am strongly opposed to the electric vehicle mandate, for several reasons: 1. Electric vehicles are very expensive, and virtually eliminate the ability of bottom half of our population to own a car. The number one factor in the ability of ...↓

I have nothing against electric vehicle technology, but believe that it is best left to individuals to choose what works best for them and their families. If electric vehicles are really better, they will win in the marketplace.

Sincerely,

Elizabeth Rohlfing
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Comment From: Anonymous Anonymous

9/28/22 @ 5:00 PM
I am extremely opposed to adopting the California Clean vehicle program for so many reasons. It is completely unrealistic and unfair -- it is way too expensive for those of us who can not afford an electric vehicle. Electricity is becoming expens...↓
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Comment From: DON OLSON

9/28/22 @ 4:58 PM
This is unthinkable, unnecessary, unworkable, unattainable, unaffordable and unwanted. Please observe what our fellow Americans have already had to deal with in Californian, and please take time to include the thoughts and advice of our citizens when...↓
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Comment From: James Rohlfing

9/28/22 @ 4:55 PM
Dear Sirs,

I am strongly opposed to the electric vehicle mandate, for several reasons: 1. Electric vehicles are very expensive, and virtually eliminate the ability of bottom half of our population to own a car. The number one factor in the ability o...↓

I have nothing against electric vehicle technology, but believe that it is best left to individuals to choose what works best for them and their families. If electric vehicles are really better, they will win in the marketplace.

Sincerely,

James Rohlfing
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Comment From: Howard Hadley

9/28/22 @ 4:41 PM
Tell California to go away. We don't want their idiotic rules here, nor are they needed.
There are no ZEV (Zero Emission Vehicles) made today. Each battery requires 7500 tons of earth to be mined, much of that by slave labor or child labor for the cob...↓
Zero Emission Vehicles are only around because by unwilling taxpayers are "helping" the payments of those people that can afford to buy them.
Make them prove their reliability and effectiveness in the open marketplace.
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Comment From: Luke Chermak

9/28/22 @ 4:26 PM
Do not ban the sale of ANY gas vehicles. The market will drive which vehicles people want. Electric vehicles are nice but they are not for everyone and for all conditions. The electric grid can not handle all of the vehicles and is there is an emerge...↓
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Comment From: Ray Stewart

9/28/22 @ 4:03 PM
You want to ban gas/diesel powered vehicles but haven't given any examples on increasing electrical production.

Tearing out electric producing dams is an answer? Solar doesn't work when the sun doesn't shine. Windmills don't produce when the wind does...↓

And you refuse to address nuclear, the cleanest.

So right now you want everyone to switch over to electric with no real way to increase production, but put a massive burden on the grid.

Can you say brown outs and black outs? When I grew up people like you would be committed.

Have a good day.
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Comment From: Matt Gill

9/28/22 @ 3:53 PM
For a myriad of reasons, mandating that Washington State residents are restricted from purchasing the type of car that fits their particular needs, be it financial, capacity, reliability or otherwise is the height of hubris by our Governor and his ad...↓
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Comment From: Scott Semans

9/28/22 @ 3:52 PM
don't do it. No mandate for electric cars ever.
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Comment From: Melvin Paul

9/28/22 @ 3:46 PM
This has to be the MOST INSANE proposal this state has ever made! There is no infrastructure to support all EV's. Most people cannot afford them! Battery replacements are $20,000 plus! In cold weather they don't work well. We have plenty of gasoli...↓
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Comment From: Dave DeFord

9/28/22 @ 3:45 PM
I'm a voter and I oppose any effort by any government to control the vehicles I buy, sell, drive, or do whatever I want with. If you vote for such policies, you are not just a loser, you are coward and a whore and I will never vote for you. It doesn'...↓
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Comment From: Michael Webster

9/28/22 @ 3:45 PM
Relating to the Clean Vehicle Program. This Clean Vehicle Program is unrealistic in it's purpose and implementation. This program was implemented out of state and by a non-elected body. The Clean Vehicle Program was not voted on by Washingtonians. Th...↓
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Comment From: Taylor Sharrar

9/28/22 @ 3:44 PM
I believe that this proposed measure is premature. The electrical grid will require substantial upgrades before it is able to support the increased number of electric vehicles. The current battery technologies require rare earth materials and Lithium...↓

Public charging infrastructure will also need to be scaled up greatly before this would be practical. For the southwest and eastern parts of the state, the distances traveled can be significant, and there is very little charging infrastructure. The ability to install chargers at gas stations and other locations may be very limited due to the large power requirements and limited parking available.

This is a measure that will have a significant impact on individuals, families, and business in this state, it should be voted on by the people, not enacted unilaterally.
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