Rulemaking - Informal Public Comment Period for Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) and Air Quality Fee Rule

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Comment From: AHRI Updated version_2-27

2/26/23 @ 12:00 AM
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Comment From: Refrigeration Supplies Distrib... (Gary Parker)

2/15/23 @ 4:55 PM
We are a distributor of parts and equipment to the Residential and Commerical Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Industry. We have (7) locations in Washington state and have been working closely with contractors and end users to implement, environme...↓

Gary Parker
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Comment From: Environmental Investigation Ag... (Christopher Douglass)

2/15/23 @ 10:22 AM
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Comment From: Air-Conditioning, Heating, and... (Vivian Cox)

2/15/23 @ 12:00 AM
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Comment From: Trakref Inc. (Ted Atwood)

2/14/23 @ 1:08 PM
Trakref Inc is providing comments to the Department of Ecology about pending updates to the Washington State plan to improve the management of Hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs) – Chapter 173-443 WAC. We support the state's efforts and intent to improve awar...↓
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Comment From: Nancy Hansen

1/31/23 @ 11:58 AM
Your work is appreciated. I hope Washington can reach the level of work on HFC's as the few other states ahead of us.

I am unable to comment on technical aspects, but will do this as soon as recommendations are out for the final draft.

Here, I would o...↓

I think that the compliance rules proposed could be made better by the decisions that are needed for a company to request either "Exemption" or "Exception" That would be to include a manufacturer's representative as a requirement for either of these requests when "impossibility" is used as a reason why they are unable to comply with new rules.

The reason for this is that a manufacturer's rep has been the only way I have been able to get proper service, and from observation, this is due to lack of training on the part of many technicians who are sent out to make decisions when not fully trained to do this job. I used a company recommended by PSE to install my HVAC system, with additional services added at that time. There was only 1 technician who was able to make accurate decisions (out at least 20 various ones sent during the long process), but the qualified tech. was not always available. I received many different suggestions from all the rest of the techs. and these were not always good. One technician actually caused a natural gas leak by breaking the tubing trying to stuff it into a cement wall. This was not discovered until PSE used their equipment to find the leak many months later. I can give many more examples, including the carbon being released after this company installed a log fireplace insert. But, I'm just trying to let you know what it's really like out here for homeowners.

Many other issues came up, so numerous I can barely stand to recall it all again. Almost none of the technicians knew very much, also, were asked to come to an unknown property and perform an adjustment/repair, without understanding what had done prior. The way these companies function is extremely inefficient and dangerous.

1 other supporting piece of evidence includes the HVAC industry changes in itself. I have seen buy-outs, e.g., the company I used, highly recommended at the time, Green City Heating and Air Conditioning, is no longer under the same ownership, and don't appear to be highly recommended at this time. I no longer use them. But, I have found a highly skilled local person who quit working at 2 of the largest HVAC companies due to their practices. He worked in various capacities, but love is for the technical side of the work. As a problem solver/consultant, he was often asked to sell equipment and processes that were not required - the reason why he chose to start his own, now very successful business, after only 2 years.

Another suggestion is adding the ability for homeowners to change over their old HFC's systems with some sort of rebate program, or a subsidy allowed for this.

I can describe much more I have observed in with the HVAC sector in King County. From this, I know our laws need to address the realities of what is going on.
All this malpractice does affect the general outcomes of the entire group of private homes. In practical terms, if I pay for services I don't really need, I won't have money left to pay for those I really do need. And, I'll be less likely to call for any help for optional services that can improve our air.

Summarized, I would like to see more strength in all regulations that affect air quality. We need it badly as citizen advocates, or we are stuck!
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Comment From: Eric Vander Mey

1/25/23 @ 8:27 AM
See comments in attached file
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Comment From: DC Engineering (Glenn Barrett)

12/12/22 @ 12:00 AM
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Comment From: DC Engineering (Glenn Barrett)

12/12/22 @ 12:00 AM
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Comment From: DC Engineering (Glenn Barrett)

12/12/22 @ 12:00 AM
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Comment From: Andy Baker

11/17/22 @ 9:15 AM
The Nov 17,2022 Draft Rule language does not appear to acknowledge or anticipate the existence or use of HFO (hydrofluoroolefin) refrigerants with GWP
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Comment From: Rushing (Eric Vander Mey)

11/16/22 @ 12:14 PM
See editorial comments and questions in the uploaded file.
Thanks
Eric Vander Mey
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Comment From: Air-Conditioning, Heating, and... (AHRI )

10/05/22 @ 11:00 PM
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Comment From: Ted Atwood

9/14/22 @ 11:54 AM
Hello, following up on the Webinar this afternoon. Please find the following comments for consideration or discussion:
1. Related to the notifications, the 5 day timeline will be difficult to meet for the notification of leak. The 30 and 60 day are a...↓
Thank you for a terrific forum to discuss the evolution of this important regulation.
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Comment From: Albertson's (Wade Krieger)

9/14/22 @ 12:00 AM
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Comment From: Albertsons (Wade Krieger)

9/13/22 @ 11:00 PM
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Comment From: Albertsons (Wade Krieger)

9/13/22 @ 11:00 PM
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Comment From: Albertsons (Wade Krieger)

9/13/22 @ 11:00 PM
See email dated 9/14/22.
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Comment From: PCC Markets (John Gaines)

7/14/22 @ 4:54 PM
We are concerned that establishing maximum global warming potential (GWP) thresholds for hydrofluorocarbons used in new stationary refrigeration equipment is too broad an application. Establishing thresholds for "stationary refrigeration equipment" ...↓
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Comment From: Denso Products and Services Am... (Randy Kim)

4/20/22 @ 3:16 PM
DENSO spot coolers are commercial products that are significantly different from typical residential portable air conditioners.

DENSO introduced the world's first portable cooling unit in 1982. Our products are intended to provide emergency cooling in...↓

On the other hand, typical residential portable air conditioners are used in residential facilities, such as single or multifamily homes, nursing homes etc. These units are smaller in size and are manufactured in large quantities. Usually, they are available in either single-duct or dual-duct configurations that affect product performance. Single-duct units draw all of the condenser inlet air from the conditioned space without the means of a duct, and discharge the hot condenser outlet air to the unconditioned space through a duct. Dual-duct units draw some or all of the condenser inlet air from the unconditioned space through a duct, and may draw additional condenser inlet air from the conditioned space. The condenser outlet air is discharged to the unconditioned space by means of a separate duct.

Washington Department of Ecology should establish separate definitions for single-duct and dual-duct portable air conditioners

For the reasons outlined above, both the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and the California Energy Commission (CEC) are regulating DENSO's portable air conditioners (i.e. spot coolers) differently from residential portable air conditioners. We urge Washington Department of Ecology to do the same and establish definitions for single-duct and dual-duct portable air conditioners consistent with the DOE definitions listed in 10 CFR part 430.2 as shown below:

Single-duct portable air conditioner means a portable air conditioner that draws all of the condenser inlet air from the conditioned space without the means of a duct, and discharges the condenser outlet air outside the conditioned space through a single duct attached to an adjustable window bracket.

Dual-duct portable air conditioner means a portable air conditioner that draws some or all of the condenser inlet air from outside the conditioned space through a duct attached to an adjustable window bracket, may draw additional condenser inlet air from the conditioned space, and discharges the condenser outlet air outside the conditioned space by means of a separate duct attached to an adjustable window bracket.

Washington Department of Ecology should postpone the compliance date for spot coolers to January 1, 2025

As mentioned above, spot coolers are usually larger in size than typical residential portable air conditioners. On average, they have a larger refrigerant charge which is comparable to small commercial stationary air conditioners. Spot coolers are subject to the same safety standards as these commercial stationary air conditioners. Manufacturers like DENSO face the same challenges as commercial stationary air conditioner manufacturers and therefore should be treated the same way.

The transition to lower GWP refrigerants will take more than two years to complete. Products will have to be entirely redesigned. In addition, time will be needed to certify these products to the appropriate UL safety standards and test them to develop performance ratings (i.e. energy efficiency, cooling capacity etc.). The redesign and certification processes will take significantly longer than two years. That is why DENSO will not be ready to transition to lower GWP refrigerants by January 1, 2024.

The fact that there are some residential portable air conditioners using A2L refrigerants on the market today does not justify lumping all portable air conditioners into one category. We urge State of Washington to limit the compliance date of January 1, 2024 to single-duct and dual-duct portable air conditioners.

Summary

DENSO supports Washington Department of Ecology's efforts to reduce HFC emissions in the state of Washington. However, our spot coolers are commercial products that do not meet the typical definition of residential portable air conditioners. We believe that spot coolers should be treated like other commercial air conditioners and be required to meet the same compliance date of January 1, 2025.
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Comment From: UA (Chris Hawes)

3/31/22 @ 1:55 PM
I would recommend a clearer definition of Chillers being used in Air Conditioning process vs being used in a more industrial process. Perhaps using the term "Comfort Cooling" in the definition.
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Comment From: Daniel Dettmers

3/31/22 @ 1:24 PM
Attached is a letter detailing our comments on the addition of a definition for "residential dehumidifier".
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Comment From: dJoule, LLC (Eric Moe)

2/03/22 @ 3:36 PM
There is a growing body of research demonstrating that many low global warming potential (GWP) refrigerants will break down in the lower atmosphere to TFA (a PFAS chemical)that may adversely affect human health and ecosystems. While HB1050 is very w...↓
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Comment From: Aprilaire, a division of Resea... (Pierre Harfouche)

2/03/22 @ 3:07 PM
Please find attached.

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this rulemaking in advance.
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